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Post by diaz on Jun 24, 2011 16:05:28 GMT -5
What does it say about me and the world in general that so many of my favourite artists and writers struggled with depression?  Van Gogh  Dostoevsky  Georg Trackl  Kierkegaard  Virginia Woolf  Emily Dickinson  Dickens And so many others. Does Liz Fraser have depression? It seems like there are a lot of musicians have it or have struggled with it, too....and it feels like I am missing other writers and artists. |
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Post by kit on Jun 24, 2011 16:40:23 GMT -5
Liz probably did struggle with it to an extent. She had a nervous breakdown during the recording of one of their 90s albums (I think FCC) because Robin was doing a lot of drugs or drinking, or something.
I know that my best compositions were written during a period of lows, if not "depression".
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Post by steveruff on Jun 24, 2011 18:00:02 GMT -5
I think most creative types and artists are melancholic...seems that the good ones are anyway. Depression, addictions, etc... seems to run pretty rampant in the circles that everyone on this list likes as creative influences. I just always kinda figured that most people were depressed to some extent... I take high doses of anti-depressents, those things saved my life. Depression can also be very introspective and introverted and I think that is where some of the best work is done...sometimes just the need to have a catharsis can be the most potent form of expression. I was talking to a musician a couple of weeks back, and he was saying that his last couple of records were really just for him...he didn't really care if he released them or not, he just needed that form of expression as a way to 'get it out'.  |
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Post by grimaudjr on Jun 25, 2011 1:37:25 GMT -5
"he just needed that form of expression as a way to 'get it out'."
thats exactly it.
for me its been like a venom. if i dont get it out, it feels like it begins to kill from the inside.
unfortunately that dark place becomes a distorted view of comfort. meaning, i cant feel any shittier or it cant get any worse so if i stay here at least i know what to expect & i know my way around this place.
its awful.
the wife & i are two peas in a pod in this area.
i had to get off the anti-pills. i had some bad side effects. HOWEVER i shouldve seen the doctor before quitting them cold turkey. THAT was a DUMB SHIT move on my part.
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Post by diaz on Jul 7, 2011 10:04:36 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing...been thinking a lot about this lately...I haven't come to any conclusions or anything, but it has been interesting to think about...drugs is another common theme in the artists I like, but maybe that's link to depression, too!
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Post by steveruff on Jul 7, 2011 18:34:04 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing...been thinking a lot about this lately...I haven't come to any conclusions or anything, but it has been interesting to think about...drugs is another common theme in the artists I like, but maybe that's link to depression, too! Yeah, I wonder about that as well. As a recovering addict/alcoholic I am pretty unsure on the whole notion of where it comes from and which one comes first. It's like the chicken and egg, does the depression cause medicating through drugs to feel better, or do the drugs deplete the chemistry and induce depression? The older I get the more I am not sure. The AMA classifies addiction as a disease, but I'm not sure I agree with that either. I know people who think that the alcohol and/or drugs help with the creativity, and then I also know others who think the drugs and/or alcohol quite the "static in the head" long enough for the creativity to come out. The only thing I know for certain is that I can't do drugs anymore in any capacity, and it goes the same for alcohol. It took me years to shake that shit and it still can be a struggle sometimes. Those substances can be powerful for sure... I have a great amount of respect for people who kick drugs and alcohol, especially artists who can actually afford the addiction. I don't have any moral issue with people drinking or using drugs, I think folks should put whatever they want into their body as they see fit. I just know that for me it doesn't work... |
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Post by rhu on Jul 7, 2011 20:53:12 GMT -5
geologists get depressed
accountants get depressed
stay at home moms get depressed
they just don't commit it to tape/canvas.
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Post by diaz on Jul 8, 2011 12:26:09 GMT -5
Yeah Rhu, that might be the difference: artists share about it.....in a very public and powerful way...whereas others don't get to.
Thansk for sharing too, Steve!
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Post by grimaudjr on Jul 8, 2011 17:00:19 GMT -5
heavy thread
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Post by diaz on Jul 11, 2011 8:09:53 GMT -5
yeah...
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Post by steveruff on Aug 17, 2011 9:31:34 GMT -5
Lyrics to E.M.A.'s song CODA - reminded me of this thread...this is one of my most favorite albums in a long time!!! They say love turns to rot But I'm gonna give him all I've got When you showed up at that spot I almost threw up on the spot I wish I had another hope to get out These drugs, they are making me so sad And I, I can't stop taking them in This night, it is making me so sad (?) just words and emptiness That made me want to throw up on the spot My arms...  |
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Post by Green on Aug 26, 2011 15:29:45 GMT -5
I think most creative types and artists are melancholic...seems that the good ones are anyway. Depression, addictions, etc... seems to run pretty rampant in the circles that everyone on this list likes as creative influences. I just always kinda figured that most people were depressed to some extent... I take high doses of anti-depressents, those things saved my life. Depression can also be very introspective and introverted and I think that is where some of the best work is done...sometimes just the need to have a catharsis can be the most potent form of expression. I was talking to a musician a couple of weeks back, and he was saying that his last couple of records were really just for him...he didn't really care if he released them or not, he just needed that form of expression as a way to 'get it out'. |
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